Talk:Tadeusz Bór-Komorowski/Archive 1

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Survival

What unique quality did T B-K possess that enabled him to survive the Warsaw Uprising, and his subsequent internment, given the nature and brutality of its repression? Dr. Dan (talk) 19:52, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Luck, and the sheer reality that as hard as they tried, Germans were not able to kill every single living being in Warsaw in that time frame.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 05:56, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

In most wars, generals survive and they do not need any unique qualities. Unless they are Polish generals, caught by the Soviets. Tymek (talk) 19:11, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Luck? That seems to be a strange explanation. Although as you say, the "Germans were not able to kill every single living being in Warsaw", he was captured and was in their custody. Certainly it would have been easy to execute him. Then we have the cases of Wojciechowski and Rataj (both former Presidents, out of office). Same question. There has to be some deeper explanation. Some basis causing the Nazis to make these exceptions, or not to. Just curious what "official" sourced explanations that might exist, have to say about it. Perhaps the information belongs in the article. Dr. Dan (talk) 22:46, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a discussion forum. If you have nothing to contribute, please save space, rather then engage in personal theories.--Molobo (talk) 23:26, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Molobo, you are completely right. End of talk, at least for me Tymek (talk) 23:31, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Molobo, sorry that after all this time you do not understand the purpose of the talk pages on WP in relation to their articles. I suggest that you take your own advice, "please save space" and bow out gracefully. If any one else has something relevant to add, I am still hoping for some sourced explanations concerning these questions. Evidently user:Molobo doesn't not wish to explore any other possibilities than his own POV concerning Germany. And Tymek, regarding , "end of talk, at least for me", that's fine too. I'm beginning to wonder if you think these discussions are about you, and what you think. They are not. Dr. Dan (talk) 23:41, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Nothing about Komorowski above. Just a waste of space, please, some of us have emails, perhaps it would be better if you would adress your personal opinions about other users through that channel.--Molobo (talk) 23:43, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, Dr Dan, I hope this satisfies your curiosity. The Germans pledged to treat soldiers of the Uprising according to the Geneva Convention. This is the unique ability of Komorowski. Tymek (talk) 00:03, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

It unfortunately doesn't satisfy much of anything. Besides, Tymek, I thought you ended this talk earlier, as far as you were concerned. At times like these I truly miss user:Balcer because you could get something substantial out of a dialog with him. This is still the case with Lysy, N.n. and P.P., but Tymek, Molobo has truly been in a rut lately (as his above edits indicate). Don't emulate him. And work a little on your English, "This is the unique ability of Komorowski (sic)", makes no sense. Dr. Dan (talk) 02:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

To help here an extract from "Rising 44'" by Norman Davies, p478/480 paperback edition : "Military POWs from Warsaw Rising who surrendered to the German at the Capitulation, were sent to a variety of Stalags & Oflags scattered among the Reich. They were not investigated by the Gestapo and received a modicum of food, shelter, and warmth. In fact, they were in just about the safest place to be. Other Varsovians were struggling to survive either as forced labourers or in concentration camps. Naturally condition varied. But generally speaking they were correct.[...] It has to be argued therefore, that the civilian evacuees from Warsaw had a harder time than POWs. [...] Given Germany's accute want of manpower, it is not at first celar why in October 44 so many Varsovians should have been condemmned to the concentration camps. They were not, i, the main, Jews, and they were not, in the main, active insurgents. But the fact remains, tens of thousands of Varsovians were dispatched to Auschwitz and to other such hellhols. One may presume that insurgents and civilians from Warsaw found themself in Nazi concentration camp through one of two sets of circomstances. In the first place, some insurgent soldiers, who were captured before the October capitulation [...] were shipped off to the camps as a form of punishment. [...] In the second place, roughly 12-15,000 Varsovians were packed off after the Capitulation either to Mauthausen-Gusen or to Ravensbrück apparently for no other reason than the SS wanted their share of free labour." So, it seems that the so called "unique" quality of T-B-K was shared by most of military POWs who surrendered at the capitulation and were protected by the POW status granted to them by the German under pression of western powers : where is the allegated "uniqueness ? Bor Komorowski shared the fate of thousands of his soldiers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.89.171.124 (talk) 21:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

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